@kaniini regular reminder that discord bans people from using third party clients, it’s even worse than just a proprietary service. using it to host FOSS communities in no circumstance is sane
@tomas the uncomfortable truth is that discord's ease of use needs to be aped. matrix sucks ass because i am good at computers and couldn't join a server when i tried it and it will always suck ass if its more difficult to join a "Harmony" server than a Discord one
@tomas ircv3 seems promising but i worry any attempt to make irc discord is going to make irc grognards mad and still not be a viable alternative to discord
@mmn you click on a discord server link it just works. it has an easy registration flow, you don't even HAVE to register if you don't want to initially, and you don't need to know anything about federated vs centralized to just get connected and chat, you can paste in images and videos, the client isn't a confusing nightmare, while it lacks end to end encryption it also lacks the obnoxious, obtuse, and WAY overcomplicated interface that xmpp/matrix have for end to end encyption. also there's voice chat and it just works without much fuss.
if you're going to ask me questions then get mad i answered them then call it an argument, fuck off. nobody's going to be browbeaten into using a discord alternative that's a solidly worse and more confusing experience.
@mmn you can have client versatility all you want but there still needs to be a consistent core experience. look at how mastodon and pleroma have succeeded where xmpp and matrix haven't caught on: there is a core idea executed well and the ui features are the same core, consistent features across clients and server flavors, with differences being more different ways of presenting things that all are delivered in a way that is somewhat consistent. hell you're using some bizarre gnu social knockoff or some shit with weirdass bang hashtags that doesnt include @ in replies and i can still tell what's going on on my mastodon instance.
xmpp meanwhile doesn't even have consistent away messages across clients, chatrooms work weird across clients, the most popular ones, android conversations and conversations.js do things in a way that doesn't work well for other clients or properly implement existing features, and on top of that OMEMO is a usability nightmare that is almost useless because of how awkward it is to ensure that it's on
matrix has either the same problems as xmpp or they are bizarre inversions. they're both a nightmare to set up servers for for their own reasons, neither of which really coming as a fully assembled kit. OMEMO is still a nightmare (or whatever its called) and now instead of 50 competing bizzare nightmare clients, you pretty much have only the one so good news it's a consistent experience (for now) but the bad news is its consistently shit. all the workflows are bizarre, finding chatrooms is weird, logging in and registering in the first place is way too hecking obtuse (TWO servers???? what the fuck is riot.im i thought i was on matrix.org???????)
my point is you can get huffy with me and screech about how its ~free software more freedom is better~ and trust me i fucking know i dont run goddamned gentoo for its legendary easy of use and well known compatibility with proprietary software, xmpp, matrix, and irc all suck ass compared to discord and no alternatives to discord will catch on until that stops being true. federated microblogs are much better implemented and that's why people actually use them, but IM and chat are still a nightmare and they won't catch on until they're up to par
@mmn ive never had gnu social people come at me using weird bangtags and non-existant @ but go off and stay mad i guess
@tomas @mmn the problem with xmpp its a nightmarishly inconsistent experience with different clients trying to "solve" usability by making it so you don't even know why something another user does makes sense unless you know how their client works. sure its great its so flexible or whatever, but that's not without its downsides.
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